Dude, if you're going to argue, at least get your terminology right. Censorship still exists, but it is just a faint shadow of what is was in the '50s and '60s. Instead I want to focus on one aspect of the story that bothered me when I watched the episode. This episode got me to spend a year studying Africa and now it's my least favorite episode. I could barely watch his breakdown scene which came across as ridiculous instead of powerful. Changed his mind when he realized how young Sid was, and also decided Sisko should be black. This is SF writers writing about what they can do in the medium and what they cant do. It isn't worth the time. Also appropriate given the era of McCarthyism is Douglas' suggestion that Herb is a communist. Michael Dorn must have had a lot fun doing this episode. Wow. the whole point of a nervous breakdown is that it never SEEMS right or appropriate. And Avery Brooks did overact. I like this episode a lot. This amazing episode sent me on an emotional whirlwind and I felt every bit of what (Avery Brooks) Benny's character went through. I feel sorry for anyone who does not have the ability to empathize or identity with people demographically different from them. 139. But that's the point—racism (and sexism) is rarely a personal issue. Any great art touches on something about the human condition. Gayness is a lifestyle choice. That is no small task, and may be why he overacted a little. As a black man (and here comes the eye rolling and sighing) I wouldn't call it The Best Episode Ever but, yes, it was very interesting to see the principal cast out of make up ( wanted to see more of Aron Eisenberg) and, YES, they hit the bull's eye on the tone of times. Not my favorite "Trek in 20th century" episode, but I found it fairly enjoyable. Not only one of the worst DS9 episodes so far, but one if the worst hours of TV I can recall watching-- so much so, I'm not sure I care to finish out the series. ds9. Having lived 2/3 of my life in that time span and revisiting this in our current social climate, the EP's messages really hit all the right notes with me and instantly became one of my favorites. One Little Ship — During a research experiment in which a Runabout is shrunk to approximately five inches in length, a Jem'Hadar squadron boards and takes control of the Defiant . Also in the TNG episode it kind of makes the Native Americans look petty, which was obviously not supposed to be the point. ), this episode is very visionary! as first officer as well as reduce amount of women from 50:50 to 1/3 of the crew. After a story break session with Zicree and the DS9 writing staff, Behr and Hans Beimler wrote a script with an intriguing title: “Far Beyond the Stars.” Several weeks later the realized production lit up millions of TV screens and viewers’ smiles. And I am smart enough to know that giving you liberals an inch means you will take a mile. screencaps. Star trek has a long history of tackling the issue of racism, but usually through alien cultures. Wow - A lot of 'experts' in here espousing on what racism looked like in the 1950's. Director : Avery Brooks. When he was inspired with the idea of DS9, he began having hallucinations—seeing Sisko's reflection when he should've been seeing his own, and sometimes seeing his characters in his friends and co-workers. Staffel 3. I am surprised you've rated this episode so highly. IMO DS9 keeps growing in stature and up the hierarchy list of top iterations of Star Trek. The writing is tight, the plots are intricate and fascinating. I thought he was in an entirely different episode. Alice Walker is taking a victory lap." Zurück z. DSi Zurück z. Auswahl 1. User Ratings The episode is widely regarded as one of the greatest episodes of the Star Trek franchise. The next day he comes to work with a completed story about this space station—a place called Deep Space Nine—which is commanded by a black captain. You deserved an award for this!! It's also interesting to note that the Federation of Planets does not discriminate based on species either. Because this episode dealt with uncomfortable realities in both obvious and subtle ways. No I don't want to "beat the gay" out of someone. The Prophets giving him that knowledge makes the story meaningless as his stories wouldn't be the result of his creativity and writing ability. I know—it sounds like a trite, obvious sentiment, but aren't the most universal statements always trite-sounding after they've been said so many times? I'd be willing to put it to a proper referendum (without the media interference), but I doubt the governments would. Take from this what you will. Stimulus, response. This EP was heavy and culminates with an exchange between Avery's 'Benny' and Rene's 'Pabst'. It took a facinating concept, swept it out the door for no reason, and gave us an hour of "what the hell is going on now?". I disagree on one major point with Jammer also, it is true this is the first direct reference to Brooks being black, but ever since "Past Tense" it has certainly been right there under the surface waiting for this terrible episode to happen. "All of our spending is out of control, both social and military. This week we are going to discuss 'Far Beyond the Stars' (episode 6x14). Season : 6. It's not believable." far beyond the stars. But there are three things that keep this from being a "The Vistitor" level story for me. Thank you Mr Brooks and writers. But, wow oh wow, does it have issues! Home; Now Airing. I just saw this episode and was blown away by how relevant it is to these modern times. This whole show could've been an atypical meta-episode, like "Yes Virginia, There Is a Hercules" around the same time. Wow ODTP, you're really not going to stop until you've managed to point every single Trek discussion thread towards bitching about cancel culture and radical leftists, aren't you? He seems to like "O'Brien's" idea of making a dream because he likes the idea of resolving the conflict, rather like Odo got his start settling disputes among Bajorans before Dukat approached him. Rating : Disc No : 6.4. As near to perfect as a television show can get. That might come with the territory of being a writer/artist[...]". So GR experienced first hand a similar censure that the fictional Bennie Russell faced (although it was gender vs race). I was enjoying every MINUTE of this episode, until Avery Brooks's over-acting kinda ruined it for me. He's writer Benny Russel, and former crew members on Deep Space 9 are his co-workers at the magazine where he works, 'Incredible Tales'. THIS is the truth of the episode which makes it so great; the racism is a nuance of Sisko's particular history which is an allegory for HIM. But as it is, I don't. Doesn't seem much of a story arc to me. I forgot the mythical Roddenbery capacity for subtletly when speaking about race and never being obvious or childish. Very good episode. I love the episode and everything in it. The ending makes one seriously wonder about the nature of Bennie Russell's existence. deep space nine. I can't see Benny breaking as any motivation to Sisko and his current self-doubt. Oh wait, you won't accept my views because thy are different than yours. Wow, wrote my above comment on a WP and copied and past, it changed Ben Sisko to Ben Cisco on me, I guess it wanted me to think that the good captain was a company. DS9's characters are frequently too "human" to transcend their soap opera shenanigans, but these characters succeed in being larger than life through archetypification. In the process of achieving a utopian society, we must not forget our dark past and the growing pains required to create a new world. It is implied just after Shimmerman's character says "If the world is not ready for a woman writer, imagine what they would say if it learned about a Negro with a typewriter" Then Sisko lists a bunch of authors after which Pabst (Odo's character) says "That's literature for liberals and intellectuals". I have a responsibility to honor that dream, just like Captain Sisko has a responsibility to fulfill the vision of Bennie Russell. I respect that for many, the purpose of Science Fiction is to imagine ourselves in a world detached from our own where issues like racism don't exist - that was, after all, one of the positive attributes of Bennie's original story. I decided to recreate the DS9 from Far Beyond the Stars! Star Trek has a legacy of talking about the issues from a subtle, detached and light-handed way, but this was so heavy handed and in-your-face that I almost stopped watching it. Having watched the Original Series, the Next Generation, all the movies, four seasons of Voyager (God help me) and six of Deep Space Nine, this episode is by far one of the boldest and most daring Star Trek episode I've ever seen. Also, the inspiration may have been Samuel R. Delany's Nova, which was rejected by magazine Analog for having a black main character. Benny hides his race from readers to maintain his career. Older series suffered from being viewed as a step down from movies. Obama may be President, but other than Boston Public (which ended six years ago! Day 135: DS9, Far Beyond the Stars Show: Star Trek; Deep Space Nine. Far Beyond the Stars 1 was published in 1999.. Issue 2. That's to say, if it had been part of another show, one playing in mid-20th century Harlem, I might've liked it. I Like to see Star Trek address more issues that actually touch the real current mankind and not just the idealized mankind. I was floored by this episode. The classic "intolerance of intolerance is intolerance" argument. The structure of the show sets him up for a terrible fall. First off if we judge our star trek captains by their acting ability then this who series would never have engaged viewers from the 60's until today like it obviously has. I greatly enjoyed Shimerman as the lively liberal; and Auberjonois in that '50s-looking haircut and glasses; and Farrell as the ditzy New Yorker secretary Darlene, and Meaney as Albert, the "robot" writer who can never come up with the words he's looking for; and even Aron Eisenberg as a newsstand boy. I think Sisko's comments at the end of the episode (to his dad, Joseph Sisko) sum it up best: Benny (Sisko's alter-ego character from 1953) is the dreamer (as was Gene Roddenberry and those of the Civil Rights Movement), and his vision for that world of total acceptance is the *AS-YET-UNFULFILLED* dream that is the "reality" of the Deep Space 9 universe of the 24th century! 4 4. comments. that it would be bewildering to anyone from that time. Made me sick and wanted to turn of the tv. Year : 2374 . I appreciate what this episode tried to accomplish, and for the most part, I do think it hit more than a few of those emotional beats. The case is similar for Voyager's female Captain Janeway". Democracy my fat arse. Picard took quite a while to get worked up about things, but in a lot of episodes all it takes is a single instance for Sisko to start yelling his head off. Writers : Marc Scott Zicree. It’s like any number of similar type stories just that it was dropped into DS9. Correction to my above post. Star Trek. To me it represented Sisko feeling like his life was being beaten down by them in reality. Once again, your argument betrays your ignorance. The mysterious street preacher (Brock Peters) offers cryptic words of foresight on more than one occasion, and much of what he has to say is reflected in Bennie's struggle. I did not like this episode when it first aired. Race is very much an issue in Sisko's own time. If you want to be gay, great. He's a prime example of covert racism: Sure, he has a Negro writer on his staff, but he's unwilling to acknowledge that man's identity. Review Images Datapoints Quotes Morals. FAR BEYOND THE STARS - to which this book is the novelisation - always ranks right up there with the show’s other classics, such as IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT, and SACRIFICE OF ANGELS as well as a plethora of others. To me, the part where the cops are beating him was really good when their appearance changed into Dukat and Weyoun. i almost hit next episode when i got to this. OK, so, now that can happen in 1998, is that cause for celebration ? The fact that "hope and despair walk arm in arm" is particularly interesting given Bennie's defeat when considered alongside the implicit, unseen results of his writings. Colm Meaney wasn't having a nervous breakdown?? @Luke The episode does not say the story couldn't be published by anybody ever, Siddig's character suggests Benny to go to an independent publishers and it's dismissed because nobody would read it that way. I am not saying you can't be. I'm convinced DS9 is one of the best science fiction series ever to hit television and possibly the best of the Star Trek franchise--equal to Next Generation. @Iceman -- I agree. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season 6 A Time to Stand Rocks and Shoals Sons and Daughters Behind the Lines Favor the Bold Sacrifice of Angels You Are Cordially Invited Resurrection Statistical Probabilities The Magnificent Ferengi Waltz Who Mourns For Morn? Home > Season 6 Screencaps > 6x14 - Far Beyond the Stars Grant it this was made 20+ years ago, however just like the stuff now, and a few of these previous DS9s, they have to be overly dramatic and push social issues. The casting of Michael Dorn as a Negro baseball player who has been inducted into the Major Leagues makes sense, and adds to the running commentary dialog. Described as one of the best episodes by numerous people involved with its creation, this episode relies VERY heavily on its sledgehammer commentary on discrimination. Awesome post, Mal! petunia likes this. Making Bennie's story a dream of a downtrodden black man is even more subversive than the original story when it was just played straight. I doubt that many white women were being harassed by cops simply for the color of their skin or gunned down for shop-lifting in that era. Great writing, great acting. This is a mythology episode, a distillation of the essence of what Star Trek believes in. Some come in crying like Bennie screaming no, no, no. Ha - for those who don't realise, Weiss is being savagely sarcastic in that last comment, because there WAS a TOS episode where there were two alien races who where both half-white and half-black. I went in really skeptical about this episode, having watched it 23 years ago when it aired and not really understanding what its like to feel prejudice. The fact that the visions are also obviously utilized as social commentary just enhances the story. added by makintosh. When Roy, the resident artist (J.G. Far Beyond the Stars. After reports of the loss of another ship captained by a friend it seems as if the stress of the war might finally be getting to Captain Sisko. Any of them could have been beaten to death for talking back to a baron. The episode reminded me a little bit of "Maelstrom" from BSG, which, like Ronald D. Moore's work here, was one of the few episodes from that series to successfully integrate the supernatural elements of show's universe into its story. First Aired : 11 Feb 1998. How can this man violently breath in after every word? It's about responding to a problem intellectually and considering the different angles and perspectives rather than reacting emotionally without thinking something through. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S6E13 – Far Beyond the Stars. This might be the best episode of *Star Trek* ever made when it comes right down to it. Next week: Looks kinda silly. The inaccuracy? Very wow episode! This episode did it for me and was magnificently directed! I remember upon first seeing the preview, my reaction was not dissimilar to Stef's: Trek to that point had always worked by way of allegory, yet here it looked as though it was going to remove all subtlety and give us a brick-to-the-head hour of didacticism that basically said, "Racism bad!". "The number of comments from racism apologists with critiques that are little more than people clearly feeling discomfort because realistic depictions of the racism in their history is laughable. I would just like to say that there is a summary on this page calling the majority of the plot points predictable. So something occurred to me when I watched this episode again recently. On the one hand it’s a good hour of television drama. There's something strangely bittersweet about that last sentiment. Twilight Zone "ish" in a way. Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence.". And a very lyrical coda to a wonderful episode. Someone has to stop this out of control spending and real in the Patriot Act. But in the end, isn't that the whole point? The other writers love it. The other person just relies on insults. In a very different way, this episode is like "First Blood" too. Anyway, it's pretty pathetic seeing so many commentators here getting all butt-hurt about the racial elements of the story, and their complaints say a lot more about them than the show or, for that matter, the world we live in that produced it. ", "Also, Robert, marriage is being redefined.". I might also add, it's all the more depressing if not outright shocking that the anti-gay, pro-death penalty and coded anti-black sentiments (because unlike open homophobia, open racism is a societal taboo in the US now, hence people find proxies, straw men and other ways to express it) that I see too often on this site are coming from self-professed Star Trek fans. In 400 years, I hope we will have improved race and gender relations to the point that everyone can immediately accept people for who they are, rather than scrutinizing their ethnic background. Season : 6. Air date: 2/8/1998 Sadly, "Far Beyond the Stars" does not meet that expectation. Now I understand why the directors never really give Brooks much of an emotional role. Look at Vanilla Ice....he choose to be black, and he got to do that awesome Ninja Turtle rap for second Ninja Turtle movie. And what if the viewer just happened to have missed this episode? I love Golden Age Sci-Fi and I also like accurate period pieces and I like thoughtful character studies that let the viewer walk a mile in someone else's shoes and I like seeing the cast stretch their acting muscles and I like seeing them without makeup (because some of the cast look so different in their human state that they might as well be guest actors) and I like that I'm not being preached at but I'm still being invited to contemplate a dark chapter in history and in human beings in general. I share this anecdote with those people who are wondering how can ANYBODY like the episode, or those who complain how HEAVY HANDED it is. But "being gay" or "being straight" is not a matter of who you sleep with, but whom you are attracted to. share. It just makes no sense and purpose and is not connected to the main storyline at all. How on Earth could you deduct one of your ten stars from it? When Sisko wakes up, there's a sense that Bennie's existence goes beyond that of a simple dream. Elliot... eeesh... read my episode review. And it's this exactly desire to understand so integral to the series that I'm not seeing in a lot of the wilfully ignorant comments in threads such as this one and the Repentance thread. It all worked so admirably. I can't believe I read all these colorful comments. I imagine in America that people who are true conservatives are horrified at the gauntlet of disgrace that candidates need to pass through to win the primary because of who holds the party's balls basically. Even seen that way, some of the criticisms that others here have made here aren't rational. Even outside Trek it is stellar science fiction. (Alright, this page more than anything shows that some people only took it to be about discrimination in the past, so I suppose it was a little more subtle than I would have thought.) A socially aware issue episode that's also an engrossing reflection upon Trek's own spirit. Clearly "Far Beyond the Stars" was one of the best Deep Space Nine episodes in it's seven year run. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9) Episode: Far Beyond the Stars. Yes it was a throw back, but the problem is that DS9 does not follow the format of any other Star Trek series. Reception. I've thought about this episode a lot. Earth in Star Trek is an Eden, Cisco would have never had to deal with human on human racism. It should be noted that this story comes back in a later episode to represent Sisko's choice of life and death, ultimately deciding the fate of the Alpha Quadrant and the war. Next episode: One Little Ship. It is at times gut wrenching and at other times totally enlightening. This is a site for Star Trek, I really hate it when the comments are about anything political, with that said, I would like to say how much I love this episode. seems like most are projecting their own insecurities. Staffel 2. Jake had some nice waves goin on in his hair. Far Beyond the Stars. Stardate : Unknown. Kinda wished Patrick Stewart had been in those shoes for a second. No Klingon make-up! They are role models, in the best possible way. I absolutely admire Avery Brooks for the passion and emotion he brings to the role of Benny Russell. episode 6x14. screencaps. With Avery Brooks, Rene Auberjonois, Michael Dorn, Terry Farrell. Has to be in the top five of DS9 episodes ever. It hardly mitigates, but it's also not that Dukat was born evil. But they don't choose to be straight/gay/bisexual, because being straight/gay/bisexual is not about who you sleep with but who you *want to* sleep with/be in love with/etc. A Great Series, In Its Strong Stride, Riffs Joyously. The message I get from the episode is "No, it is not". It seems to have been created to indulge some of the actors - with Avery Brooks being given a wonderful opportunity to demonstrate how he always falls short as an actor. African-American ... even the definition is racist. Menu. The teleplay was written by Ira Steven Behr and Hans Beimler, based on a story by Marc Scott Zicree, and directed by Avery Brooks. Knowing how many black youths are raised by single parents in America today (and at the time of DS9's original run) had a big effect on how moved I was by "The Visitor" and the importance it placed on the relationship between Jake and his father. I just watched it for the first time and feel completely cheated. In a way I dislike this episode because it feels like a digression. are all officers. Herb is interesting because he represents the other view—the side that realized that individuals had to make personal efforts to overcome the generally held opinions of the masses. added by makintosh. Good episode on a meta level concept that should have been explored more. And it's a really multi-layered, intriguing concept. "Far Beyond the Stars" is what it's all about, people. That tells you something right there. The slice of Bennie's life is a dream that Sisko has when he falls unconscious, exhibiting medical readings and bizarre mental activity similar to when he had his visions in last year's "Rapture." "Far Beyond the Stars" Avery Brooks directed the stirring episode, which sees Sisko have a vision of himself living as a sci-fi writer in the 1950s , where he deals with racism on a daily basis. Sisko has a vision that he is a struggling science fiction writer in 1950's New York named Benny Russell. I never liked this episode. This episode does make the obvious statement that racism is bad but it also examines racism in the kind of detail that you don't find on television. Then the worst, at least for me, a Vietnam vet, who served his tour in 1968, came home without a scratch. This to me is an overrated episode. It is not a subtle hour of television. It was pretty riveting and I can see why it this episode is considered a top-3 or top-5 DS9 episode. 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